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Post by flyfishgb on Apr 4, 2007 13:09:03 GMT -5
Hey Guys Swapmaster here!
Get Out your Magnifying glass!
The next swap in order will be a Mayfly Swap - Comparadun ... In anticipation of the upcoming Mayfly hatches.
The deadline for participants is April 20th. The Deadline for flies will be May 15th.
Have a Nice Day!
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Post by jskowron on Apr 4, 2007 13:37:39 GMT -5
Sign me up. I'll tie some sulphur comparaduns.
Jeff
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Apr 5, 2007 7:49:05 GMT -5
I'm a bit confused, please clarify.
Is the idea to tie a fly with the word "dun" in it or are we tying up dun patterns. The number of choices for the "dun" patterns is huge.
Mark
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Post by flyfishgb on Apr 5, 2007 9:24:54 GMT -5
We are tying dun patterns... And I know the choices are huge... narrow it down to what you want to tie.... There are only a few Main stakes patterns just like any other grouping of flies if you know what i mean.... I guess just pick a dun pattern and go with it.... I clearly do not know as much about duns as Mark. LOL... I hope that clears it up eeeeeeesshhhhhh
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Apr 5, 2007 10:29:15 GMT -5
flyfishgb:
Please don't think my message negative in any way, I didn't mean anything from my message except to clarify.
The reason I asked is that the term "dun" applies to mayflies only and refers to a particular stage in their life-cycle and in particular, to the color of their wings vs. when they are adults/spinners when the wings are become (more) transparent and in some cases change color from the "dun" stage.
Some swaps get rather creative and I could see us having to tie up flies that have "dun" in their title vs. dun patterns themselves.
Mark
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Post by flyfishgb on Apr 5, 2007 12:32:39 GMT -5
I definitely don't take it in a negative way at allllllllll...... Actually its more learning for me . . . I am not as in touch with entomology as I should be.
Mark... Is it that hair wing dun / Comparadun misrepresent a true "dun" or do represent, Or are they different . . . I do want to do a "Dun" Swap...
If you want me to be honest i was looking through the Dave Hughes 30 Trout Flies, and Hairwing Dun / Comparadun were on back to back pages. So i figured that would be a good swap as they are very effective flies...
I am going to be tying a Baetis Coparadun most likely...
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Apr 5, 2007 12:51:41 GMT -5
The use of "dun" in Compara"dun" and the like really refers to the fact that the wing color is closer to that of a dun than an adult/spinner. Most of the mayfly species when they molt from nymph to dun have opaque colored wings that range from light grey to dark or slate grey. A Comparadun would represent a fly in the Dun phase.
I would probably approach these swaps in categories such as:
Classic Catskill Flies Swap
Classic Trout Streamers Swap
Foam Flies Swap
Steelhead/Salmon Swap
Smallmouth Fly Swap
Terrestrials Swap
Caddis Swap (Nymphs or Dries specified)
Mayfly Swap ( " " " " )
Stonefly Swap ( " " " " )
Midge Swap ( " " " " )
Etc...
or you can get creative (like I mentioned in my earlier post) with swaps like:
Hair Wing Swap
Feather Wing Swap
Gotta Have Some Crystal Flash in the Fly Swap
Early Winter Hatches Swap (EBSs, Tiny BWOs etc...)
Mid Summer Swap
Etc...
That way it keeps the options wide open and allows those tyers that specialize in certain types of flies or have their favorites to submit them. Alot of us have "go to" flies that they would like to share that deviate from the standard recipes and are very productive.
Another option is to follow how your typical fly pattern book is laid out by Species and style of tie to categorize the swap(s).
Hope this helps.
Mark
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Post by flyfishgb on Apr 5, 2007 13:03:42 GMT -5
So i hope I have now narrowed it down to a mayfly swap - comparaduns and hairwing duns only...Check the first post and let me know if thats a little bit clearer? Thanks.
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Apr 5, 2007 13:14:27 GMT -5
O.K. "hair wing duns" cover a pretty wide range of recipes.
While I'm tying tonite I'll think over what I want to submit. I will keep the species specific to the New England area.
Mark
By the way you mentioned that you have Hughe's 30 trout flies. If you want to sped a few bucks, purchase his "Trout Flies". It has a ton of patterns and their variations as well as alot of step by step instructions. he only draw back is that I thought they would do a little better job with the tying details of the flies that they took the photos of. Some are tied only marginally well.
Mark
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Post by flyfishgb on Apr 5, 2007 17:49:00 GMT -5
Now after sitting at the vice for 5 hours tying i know exactly what you mean... I'm thinkin' Comparadun only... Mark, You were definitly right. Maybe another time on for hairwings
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Post by jlibs on Apr 6, 2007 10:00:12 GMT -5
I'm in. I look forward to hearing how many I should make when we have the final head count. I'll be thinking of what I'll whip up and let you know soon.
Thanks for the organizing.
JLIBS
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Apr 9, 2007 10:06:23 GMT -5
Put me down for #14 Light Cahill Comparaduns. I'll leave the barbs on the hook for those of you who don't crunch them. (Like I did on the Streamer for the last swap).
Mark
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Post by flyfishgb on Apr 9, 2007 16:12:26 GMT -5
I will be doing a size 18 Baetis Comparadun ... In order to match those tiny BWO's we got around here...and a size 14 Sparkle Dun also.
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Post by flyfishgb on Apr 24, 2007 13:27:18 GMT -5
The final Tally is 4. JLIBS MarkP jskowron flyfishgb Deadline is May 15th. If i get them all earlier I'll send them back out earlier. Also I will be photographing again... So make them flies good! Later  |
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Post by jlibs on May 3, 2007 8:03:13 GMT -5
I'm mailing my 4 March Brown Comparaduns to you today. Keep your eyes peeled for em'.
These are my first comparaduns and I learned from a book. I did my best, so please go easy on me. I do think they'll catch fish.
JLIBS
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Post by flyfishgb on May 3, 2007 8:07:54 GMT -5
Its ok.... My comparaduns are somewhat on that level too ! But an effective dry fly yesssss..
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Post by flyfishgb on May 9, 2007 9:07:04 GMT -5
How are the Flies coming along guys? Mine look alright, I need to work more on standing the hairs up more vertically. I bought a few sparkle duns from orvis to match. Otherwise I am real excited about these comparaduns!
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Post by Mark Patenaude on May 9, 2007 15:01:43 GMT -5
Let me give you a tip on how to get the hair to stand up properly.
After binding down the butts, stand up the hair as you would to build the dam up in front but before you proceed to the front of the wing, wind the thread 2-3 times through the hair toward the head. It works quite nicely to get the hair to stand upright and at the proper angle.
Mark
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Post by flyfishgb on May 9, 2007 20:14:23 GMT -5
but before you proceed to the front of the wing, wind the thread 2-3 times through the hair toward the head. It works quite nicely to get the hair to stand upright and at the proper angle. Thanks Mark, That sounds like it'll do the trick. |
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Post by jskowron on May 14, 2007 7:42:32 GMT -5
Guys, my flies may be a little late. Lots of excuses, all valid, none good  . I promise I'll tie them up this evening and send them out tomorrow. Jeff |
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Post by jskowron on May 21, 2007 13:08:32 GMT -5
The flys are in the mail. Sorry guys.
Jeff
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Post by flyfishgb on May 21, 2007 13:34:42 GMT -5
No worries !
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Post by flyfishgb on Jun 5, 2007 11:24:44 GMT -5
Hey guys.
Really sorry for no updates. Flies were sent out today! I have been so busy all last week. I meant to get them out on the 1st I apologize for the wait. I hope you all Enjoy there are some real nice ones here!
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Post by flyfishgb on Jun 5, 2007 11:26:24 GMT -5
Would you guys be interested in doing another swap? Maybe a Summer SmallMouth Swap! Let me know if you guys are into doing another swap.
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Post by jlibs on Jun 5, 2007 13:12:21 GMT -5
Count me in! However, are there any patterns we can tie up for fall trout as opposed to smallies? Streamers? I'm open, but generally, I think smallies will hit all trout flies.
Just let me know the theme and I'll stop my whining and I'll start tying.
JLIBS
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Post by flyfishgb on Jun 5, 2007 13:34:05 GMT -5
Streamers sounds good. Maybe We can call it a Crossover Streamer Swap - Trophy Bass/Trout Streamers?
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Jun 5, 2007 13:40:55 GMT -5
What ever you decide if fine with me.
If we go Smallie or Cross-over put me down for the Murdich Minnow. This pattern is making the rounds through the Midwest right now and I've been hammering the Smallies on it.
Mark
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. I promise I'll tie them up this evening and send them out tomorrow.