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Post by JoeOverlock on Mar 17, 2006 9:21:02 GMT -5
With more and more states banning the use of lead, what do you use to add weight to your flies?
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Post by Uplander on Mar 17, 2006 9:24:46 GMT -5
Weight? To flies? See Joe, yet another reason you should give up that nasty nymphing and go with dries. No environmental degradation…. ;D
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Post by FishinCane on Mar 17, 2006 11:29:57 GMT -5
The ban is usually on the sale of lead. You can buy it where it's legal and use it where it is banned for sale (this is the case in NY). This will probably change at some point to a complete ban on use. Personally, if I need to use weight I prefer lead to tin. Tin is just too light.
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Post by Uplander on Mar 17, 2006 13:37:17 GMT -5
Effective 1 January 2007, it will be illegal to use lead sinkers in Vermont.
"Sinker" is defined as follows: "sinker" means any device which weighs one-half ounce or less and is attached to a fishing line for the purpose of sinking the line, and does not include other lead fishing-related items such as weighted fly line, lead-core fishing line, downrigger cannon balls, weighted flies, lures, spoons, or jig heads.
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Post by troutjunkie on Mar 17, 2006 14:04:11 GMT -5
If you limit yourself to just dries you are missing some of the most exciting "FLY FISHING" possible. I know some people think fishing anything but dries is not fly fishing. But aquatic insects spend most of their life as nymphs, thus the great fishing with nymphs. Lead is the best for getting your fly down fast but we must change our ways to help keep the environment clean. So we will have to change everywhere sooner or later.
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Post by Uplander on Mar 17, 2006 14:31:09 GMT -5
Relax haresear, I’m just bustin’ Joe’s chops. It’s one of my little pleasures in life…. Jeeze, you subsurface guys sure are defensive about yer fishing practices….  |
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Post by troutjunkie on Mar 17, 2006 14:50:45 GMT -5
Sorry didn't mean to sound defensive but we should all try every method of fly fishing. Because they all have there merits and all work well in the right situation. I am for busting someones chops whenever possible. See you on the water. ;D
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Post by jlibs on Mar 17, 2006 14:51:47 GMT -5
FIGHT. FIGHT!
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Post by jlibs on Mar 17, 2006 14:55:10 GMT -5
I am sensitive about the environment, and I certainly do not want to cause damage, but the lead substitutes really do not do the job.
Up on the Salmon River in Pulaski, NY, where one really has to get down for the salmon, non-lead sinkers are probably going to be the only legal way to fish next year or the year after. Lead can be used, but not sold in NY at this time legally.
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Post by troutjunkie on Mar 17, 2006 14:57:24 GMT -5
To old for fighting would rather fish!!!
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Post by FishinCane on Mar 17, 2006 15:16:18 GMT -5
Jlibs,
You really don't need all that lead to get the salmon/steelhead on the Salmon River. I used to fish that way but this past year I've changed my rigging techniques. Now I'm only using a few split shot with a strike indicator cast up stream with enough time to get the fly down (just like regular trout fishing). You won't catch as many fish as before but you also won't snag/line fish either.
Lots of weight + long leader + small fly = lined fish
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Post by jlibs on Mar 18, 2006 6:37:33 GMT -5
I can't say that I line the fish. I would put just enough lead (or lead substitute) on to get the fly down. I still cast up and across. As the line and fly are swinging, I will strip a little line at a time just to keep the fly from hanging up. My hook-ups are right in the mouth and I feel the take, rather than a snag. I have the photo's to prove it. I will try your tradtional trout technique though.
Thanks for the suggestion.
JLIBS
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Post by FishinCane on Mar 18, 2006 9:08:10 GMT -5
Jlibs,
Didn't mean to insinuate that you were snagging them. I fished with lots of weight for many years and with these new techniques I was shown this year the whole experience is much more pleasurable. I was surprised at just how little weight is actually needed to get the fly down into the right spot (even with lots of water). Give it a try next time or better yet join me in a trip up there some time.
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Post by JoeOverlock on Mar 19, 2006 7:48:28 GMT -5
Jlibs, Lots of weight + long leader + small fly = lined fish ROTF LOL!!!! ;D ;D ;D You're secrets out, Josh!!!! As for Uplander and his "dry fly only" ethic, I can attest to that. He also uses a horse hair leader and the only flies he uses are the 12 described in "A Treatyse of Fysshynge with an Angle" circa 1496 A.D. ;D Tungsten is pretty simular to lead weight wise and is way more enviromentaly friendly. Tin is a different metal all together and is a lot lighter. If Massachusetts banned Lead sinkers tomarrow, it wouldn't bother me one bit. Here's some information on the 3 metals fron Wikipedia if you're bored. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leaden.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tungstenen.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tin |
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Post by jlibs on Mar 20, 2006 11:47:03 GMT -5
Thanks for the links, Joe.
FishinCane, I'll join you next time. FYI..I didn't think you were suggesting i was snagging.
I did go out for my firts outing this spring/winter this year. After tangling everything and stabing myself with a few sharp objects, hooks, etc. by accident, I did manage to hook into a very nice hold over rainbow. Since I was more interested in getting my friend to look in my direction for some attention, I managed to "quick release" the fish at mu feet before BCFF website photo opportunity could take place.
It was satisfying to get the fish to take one of the porrly tied flies I created this past winter - Copper John, if you could call it that.
JLIBS
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