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Post by bartman on Sept 29, 2008 19:32:35 GMT -5
For those of you that fly fish NY's Salmon River "fly zone." They are changing the rules on 10/1 to allow actual "fly fishing" in the fly fishing zone. Imagine that! For those that have witnessed the former practice a launching a fly line with a bowling ball, this is a relief. The last rule is key. Mending is back.
The following are no longer permitted in the Salmon River Fly only zones [Paragraphs 10.2 (g) 4-7](4) use a weighted fly with more than a one-eighth ounce added weight; (5) add weight to the line, leader, swivels or artificial fly in any manner such that the weight hangs lower than the attached fly when the line or leader is suspended vertically from the rod; (6) use less than 20 feet of floating, sinking, or combination floating/sinking flyline, or shooting head immediately behind the leader and in front of any running line or other backing; (7) use supplemental weight such that the weight is the primary means of propelling the cast rather than the fly line or shooting head;
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Post by FishinCane on Sept 30, 2008 15:39:14 GMT -5
The way that I read it I think my preferred rig is still legit. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
WF7 floating fly line, 2 ft. of Amnesia, 8ft mono (maybe an indicator at top), swivel with tag of split shot, 3 ft tippet, fly.
I'm thinking that weight can still be used as long as it's not what propels the rig.
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Post by bartman on Sept 30, 2008 16:37:38 GMT -5
That's correct from my understanding. When I first read through it I was confused but the new rule allows weight so long as its not the propellent. My friend wrote DEC and received written confirmation. So traditional indicator, shot (not overdone), nymph/egg will be the way to go.
I can imagine that some might push the envelope and still try to actually cast with bigger weights so it should be interesting up there, as always. Rules like this leave room for some interpretation. It should help with the obvious flingers though that use a whole pencil lead or slinky.
Again, this new rule applies to the upper and lower fly zones and not the whole river.
They take effect tomorrow so I'm sure DEC will be there bright and early to enforce it (as well as check for licenses as they expire today) so it should be a ticket field day.
Good Luck
Bart
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Post by AgMD on Sept 30, 2008 17:57:13 GMT -5
This is just another futile attempt to stop the snagging. The state of NY made a big mistake when they allowed snagging when the salmon first took hold in Ontario. Every year the DEC comes up with ever more convoluted regs to stop the practice. The problem is the regs don't solve the problem. Snaggers just keep snagging.
I confess , I have never been to Pulaski. I don't need to. If I want to go to a drunken brawl, I can do that in a local bar. But last fall I did go to Oak Orchard for a Sun. afternoon and a Monday morning. We left before noon. At the dam, there were easily over 50 people armed with boat rods, snagging salmon packed gill to gill in shallow water, in what was basically a big concrete swimming pool just below the powerhouse. Down river was not much better. I was trying my best to fair hook a King which was holding in a small nook on the far bank. All the salmon were a bit freaked from running the gauntlet downstream and this one was no exception. I had been working him for 20 min. or so when some jerk with a boat rod snuck up behind him, and with less than 6 feet of line hanging from the tip, reached down and snagged the fish I had been casting to. He hooked the king on the first try but lost him in the first few seconds. Sad to say , he was not the only one I saw snagging downstream.
I never once saw a DEC officer, or any other form of authority.
Regulations do not prevent unsportsmanlike conduct. The snaggers know they can get away with it and really don't give a rats ass about details like fair chase. Until the state of NY decides they are going to arrest/fine folks who violate the regs, the regs mean nothing.
The honest sportsman is left with a fistful of regs that are so confusing that you have to call the DEC for an explanation.
Personally, I think they should allow dynamite. I would provide for a lot more entertainment. It is just as fair as snagging, and maybe some of the slobs would manage to blow themselves to pieces.
AgMD
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Oct 1, 2008 7:49:46 GMT -5
FishinCane:
Your setup is O.K.
The key issue regarding weight is that it is not used to propell the fly line basically meaning that the weight cannot be used as your "point fly".
I hope this works and I could only wish Wisconsin would enact the same regs.
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Post by 6wt on Oct 3, 2008 22:16:06 GMT -5
sort of agree with agmd.
Of course if they really wanted to stop snagging they should put a few officials on the river. Issuing a batch of $100 tickets would work, writing more regs won't.
That said there are tons of locations on the SR which are not elbow to elbow. You need to park and walk away from the crowds.
Going Sunday for a few days. They are catching some amazing browns this year.
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Oct 6, 2008 14:02:37 GMT -5
I didn't fish this weekend but I heard from a friend that the DNR was in force in the area where I fish in Wisconsin.
They wrote approximately $15,000.00 in fines. The water levels are low and the numbers haven't really shown yet and only the most lowly of snaggers were on the water. I believe the DNR anticipated this.
One guy got tagged for $1155.00 for being over the bag limit and snagging and got his gear confiscated and his vehicle impounded.
Woo Hoo!
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Post by wintershope on Jan 11, 2009 19:06:08 GMT -5
Ho ya oak orchard creek,also known as the ,JOKE. Every time they change the regulations.there are people who have it beat.Now the big thing on the cacth and release is fly fishing with lead jigs.This is legal.And the ones that arnt useing them.Well they are lineing the salmon with light flor carb line.useing spey rods. They call it spey nation. Let em use the bowling balls.there half dead and running for there life.What a sport.
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Post by wintershope on Jan 11, 2009 19:06:25 GMT -5
Ho ya oak orchard creek,also known as the ,JOKE. Every time they change the regulations.there are people who have it beat.Now the big thing on the cacth and release is fly fishing with lead jigs.This is legal.And the ones that arnt useing them.Well they are lineing the salmon with light flor carb line.useing spey rods. They call it spey nation. Let em use the bowling balls.there half dead and running for there life.What a sport.
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Post by jlibs on Jan 13, 2009 9:40:33 GMT -5
I'm picturing AgMD launching a lit stick of dynamite with a hand made bamboo contraption with beautiful hand-turned nickel silver hardware. What an image! Water and fish in the air every where and AgMD grinning...
The snaggers are a problem for the real fly fishers, no doubt. We'll have to modify our tackle and approach to be legal.
If you're interested in winter / spring steelheading, please reach out and we'll coordinate a trip.
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Post by wintershope on Jan 13, 2009 19:46:35 GMT -5
;D Thats funny,I think after all the years of going to the salmon river steelheading,not to brag but,(26 years a steelheader and proud of it) that it would be great if they did away with the salmon and only stocked steelhead.But we all know that wil never happen,because the salmon are the big drew card for the river.Its still fun to go and its a nice time of the year to be out.
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