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Post by JoeOverlock on Nov 26, 2005 7:55:40 GMT -5
What's the best vice? I've been told the renzetti traveller and Nor-Vice are good. I've never used a rotory vice before, so I don't know what to look for in one.
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Post by Uplander on Nov 26, 2005 12:47:07 GMT -5
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Post by JoeOverlock on Nov 26, 2005 18:18:16 GMT -5
Size 32!!! I'm impressed! You're going to have to give us some tips on tying that small on the Fly Tying board. That HMH looks REAL nice. I'm also looking at the Renzetti Traveler. What a dillema. I want a vice that will be good for larger hooks (I plan on getting into traditional salmon flies this winter) and go down to the 32's. I'll probally end up getting two vises in the end.
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Post by ctroy36 on Nov 30, 2005 10:26:58 GMT -5
What are the advantages in a rotary vise? What would I get for the extra money a rotary demands that I don't have in the old basic low-cost vise that came with an Orvis tying kit that I bought about 50 years ago.
I don't tie much but am thinking of doing some this winter just to have something to do and if a better vise would make it easier, I'd gladly replace my antique.
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Nov 30, 2005 13:35:09 GMT -5
I own a Barracuda. The vise is very well built and comes with jaws that work on a cam system and have excellent holding power and has a semi-indexed stop feature. You can also purchase midge jaws that are easy to replace for tying very small flies.
I have not had a single problem with it in the 3 years other than having to grease the jaw assembly. Please note that if you purchase this vise you will need to purchase the "extended" waste bag. The standard size will not center under the jaws.
I also own a Renzetti Traveler. It was my first "starter" vise but is a bit the jaws are a bit small to handle larger hooks (Size 2 and larger). Also there are two types of jaws, one with a cam and one with a knob that you turn to secure the hook. I recommend the cam.
As for the advantages of a full rotary: they allow you to wrap your chenilles, ribbing and hackle more consistently and allows you to view the opposite side of the fly to check the appearance/balance of the dressing(s).
I for one will never use anything but a full rotary setup.
Just my $.02.
f-w-f
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Post by dragonma15 on Dec 1, 2005 12:09:48 GMT -5
I agree with uplander. The danvise is a great true rotary vice and can't be beat at $80.
The plastic body made me warry at first, but after using this thing for a couple of years, it stands up to any abuse you can throw at it. And if you do tie down to 32's, better you then me ;D
But I've never had a hook slip down to 22.
Anyway, just my 2 cents.
-Gregg
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Post by JoeOverlock on Dec 1, 2005 12:20:17 GMT -5
I like that signature, Greg!  |
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Post by dragonma15 on Dec 1, 2005 15:30:05 GMT -5
Thanks Joe  |
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Post by ctroy36 on Dec 4, 2005 20:50:34 GMT -5
The Danvise vise that Uplander recommends and Orvis selts for $80 can be had for $64.00 on e-bay. Guy up in Maine has them listed there at the $64 buy-it-now price.
I checked it out and it's the same thing as Orvis is selling and also includes a video, bobbin holder and and spring materials holder for rotary use. Ordered one myself today.
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Post by Uplander on Dec 5, 2005 14:29:03 GMT -5
Wow, $64 is a steal!
By the way dragonma15, the Danvice isn't made of just your everyday run-of-the-mill "plastic." Oh no. It's made of "Delrin."
"What's Delrin?" you ask? Well, according to Wikipedia:
Delrin is the brand name for an acetal resin engineering plastic invented and sold by DuPont. Often marketed and used as a metal substitute, Delrin is a lightweight, low-friction, and wear-resistant plastic capable of operating in temperatures in excess of 90 degrees celsius (approx 200 degrees Fahrenheit). The Food and Drug Administration has approved Delrin for use in the food industry. Delrin was used by Mattel from 1968 to 1972 to produce the low-friction wheel bearings found on redline Hot Wheels.
It is also used extensively in paintball markers, where it is used to make bolts, rams and many other parts. Its low cost, adequate strength, light weight and self lubricating properties make it ideal for markers. Its competition in this area, Nylatron, while slightly lighter is more prone to swelling. A swelled part can make the mechanism impossible to operate and sometimes even damages the marker.
Other names for this compound include: polyoxymethylene (POM), acetal resin, polytrioxane and polyformaldehyde.
A fly tying vice with a branch on the ol' evolutionary family tree that includes Hot Wheels? How cool is THAT! ;D
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Post by JoeOverlock on Dec 5, 2005 16:16:42 GMT -5
Uplander, you get an A for doing all of your homework.
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Post by dragonma15 on Dec 5, 2005 16:22:16 GMT -5
Hey Uplander,
Yeah I read up on Delrin before picking up the vice. The danreel large arbor reel has a delrin housing as well. It was the best priced large arbor reel around. After using the vice I was interested in the reel, but couldnt find anyone who carried it. It is hard enough finding someone who carried the vice. You pretty much have to go online for it.
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Post by ctroy36 on Dec 5, 2005 19:25:54 GMT -5
In my former life as a sailor I had delrin blocks and cleats on sailboats large and small. I doubt that any vise could ever be subject to the stress that is put on sailboat hardware. Any questions I had about the Danvise were not about the strenght of the delrin body.
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Post by ctroy36 on Dec 10, 2005 12:16:13 GMT -5
Danvise came the other day and it is as advertised. Gave it a whirl this morning and can say it works great. The various adjustments, which work smoothly, make it easier than my old stationary vise. Only problem is the clamping device which requires a flat top and bottom surface to work. Dining room table with curved edge or kitchen table with flanged edge are out.
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Post by JoeOverlock on Dec 10, 2005 14:05:20 GMT -5
How does it do on smaller flies? And what kind of holding power does it have?
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Post by ctroy36 on Dec 10, 2005 15:04:59 GMT -5
Holding power on what I've tried so far is excellent (14). As to smaller flies, I can only say that it's claimed to work down to size 28s. I don't even have hooks that small. Best I can do is check in one of my fly boxes and see if there is one or two that size and try them in the vise. I'll let you know how that works out.
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Post by JoeOverlock on Dec 11, 2005 0:13:14 GMT -5
I have a few 28's if you want to try them.
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Post by ctroy36 on Dec 11, 2005 8:09:01 GMT -5
You have my address, so pop one in the mail and I'll see how it works. If you include a return address, I'll send it back. Even if I wanted to, I don't think I could see one that small on the water.
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Post by ctroy36 on Jan 7, 2006 13:25:22 GMT -5
Joe:
Got the size 28 and tried it in the DanVise. Works just fine. Put a pheasant tail body on the hook to be sure it would hold when working. That's all I'm willing to try on such a small hook.
Took a picture and sent it as an attachment. Hope it works.
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Post by ctroy36 on Jan 7, 2006 16:46:31 GMT -5
Found instrctions by Josh Field on posting image. Hope this works..  |
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Post by JoeOverlock on Jan 7, 2006 19:06:56 GMT -5
Very nice!
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Jan 9, 2006 15:58:05 GMT -5
That PT would look a bit better if you hadn't trimmed off the tail barbs...
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Post by ctroy36 on Jan 9, 2006 16:38:43 GMT -5
You are right about the tail barbs. Should have trimmed them and would have if it were for real rather than just to show Joe his size 28 would work in the DanVise. As it was I started to dissasemble the flyand dropped the hook on the floor and now can't find the little critter. At the other extreme, here's a picture of a Deceiver that I tied on the vise using a 2/0. Worked as good as the 28. I'll see if I can get some snook to look at it in the canal outside our condo tomorrow.  |
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Post by dragonma15 on Jan 11, 2006 7:39:13 GMT -5
Hey Ctroy36, glad to hear you are enjoying your Danvise. I really think it is the best vise for the money.
Glad to hear they held down to a 28, but Im still not ready to try anything that small ;D
Gregg
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Post by JoeOverlock on Jan 11, 2006 8:17:05 GMT -5
A lot of guys are scared of the 28's. They're actually pretty easy to tie. Since they're so small, there isn't a lot of complicated things that you can do with them.
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Post by Uplander on Feb 1, 2006 14:00:02 GMT -5
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Post by Tim on Feb 22, 2006 18:06:45 GMT -5
I have a Peak rotary vice I love it! Why can't you do much with a 28? they are small but you can ty them with wings! If you know how! Nymphs to not many flyes are that small but it can be done! My dad used to ty 32s they are hard to find now! My vice will hold any hook I have tyed lots of 28s small gold hooks I have lots of old ones they are cool! But 26 is about as small as I go most of the time! I must have 10,000 hooks in the house maybe more still don't have enough! Flyfishing Forever Tim ;D  |
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Post by Tim on Feb 23, 2006 22:19:38 GMT -5
Vice dust cover tip I like to put one of them littel half socks over my vice when its out and not in use! it keeps the dust and smoke etc. out! Pedds I think they are called. Tim |
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Post by Mark Patenaude on Feb 27, 2006 14:08:28 GMT -5
Tim:
Have you decided on a new vise yet?
I may be able to point you in the right direction if you give me an idea as to how much you want to spend.
If I may add, I would suggest going "rotary". I won't use anything but that.
f-w-f
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Post by wintershope on Feb 27, 2006 15:43:06 GMT -5
;DI think that the regal vice is the best in the world,You open the jaws and put the hook in ,and thats that..I have two regals and a renzetti,and I love the regal the best. Paul Gigliotti
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